Sunday, January 14, 2007
'Violent Offender Orders'
These VOOs proposed in the UK sound a bit bizarre. The UK "Times" says they may be used against people who not have committed an offence.
Now a VOO order could ban potential trouble-makers from certain areas or mixing with certain people, alert police when they move house and possibly force them to live in a named hostel, give details of vehicles they own and impose a curfew on them. The orders will last for at least two years, with no upper limit. Any breach could lead to up to five years in jail. Ministers believe police will apply for 300 to 450 VOOs each year.
The idea of the VOO as proposed seems to me to be a serious, and I would say fascist, restriction of freedom and potentially of no value to anyone other than useless jobsworths living off the public purse.
Sure we have to do something about the worthless scum who try to ruin this country, but curtailment of freedom of speech is a way towards increasing this. Signs for application of a VOO may include “possession of paraphernalia related to violent offending (eg, balaclava, baseball bat), or extremist material !
Shami Chakrabarti, director of Liberty, the civil rights campaign group, said: “Haven’t we seen enough already with Asbos and control orders? This sounds like another incredibly broad power, with more legislation — another quick fix undermining natural justice and not making us any safer.”
IMO: Something wrong with the Brits if they buy VOOs, at least in this form. Tony B. Liar also says Britain must keep its role as a war-fighting power. Certainly war would or could make money for the UK, but possibly at other people's expense and the sums would not appear favorable to the Treasury. But to me, the problem is the perception in the West (and I include Islam as Western) is that war is a good idea to solve issues. There is a dispute between India and Pakistan but they are fellow Indians, who do not want to fight each other in a war fostered by Westerners and their UK Islamist cronies, some of whom infiltrate back into Pakistan. Bush is probably right that bin Laden's supporters dwell in Pakistan, but this is due to Western and Islamist infiltration which should be cleaned out of Pakistan at any cost to the US and UK. Islamism is not an answer but syncretism is, and even many Pakistanis still want to return to decent human values, after decades of oppression.
Now a VOO order could ban potential trouble-makers from certain areas or mixing with certain people, alert police when they move house and possibly force them to live in a named hostel, give details of vehicles they own and impose a curfew on them. The orders will last for at least two years, with no upper limit. Any breach could lead to up to five years in jail. Ministers believe police will apply for 300 to 450 VOOs each year.
The idea of the VOO as proposed seems to me to be a serious, and I would say fascist, restriction of freedom and potentially of no value to anyone other than useless jobsworths living off the public purse.
Sure we have to do something about the worthless scum who try to ruin this country, but curtailment of freedom of speech is a way towards increasing this. Signs for application of a VOO may include “possession of paraphernalia related to violent offending (eg, balaclava, baseball bat), or extremist material !
Shami Chakrabarti, director of Liberty, the civil rights campaign group, said: “Haven’t we seen enough already with Asbos and control orders? This sounds like another incredibly broad power, with more legislation — another quick fix undermining natural justice and not making us any safer.”
IMO: Something wrong with the Brits if they buy VOOs, at least in this form. Tony B. Liar also says Britain must keep its role as a war-fighting power. Certainly war would or could make money for the UK, but possibly at other people's expense and the sums would not appear favorable to the Treasury. But to me, the problem is the perception in the West (and I include Islam as Western) is that war is a good idea to solve issues. There is a dispute between India and Pakistan but they are fellow Indians, who do not want to fight each other in a war fostered by Westerners and their UK Islamist cronies, some of whom infiltrate back into Pakistan. Bush is probably right that bin Laden's supporters dwell in Pakistan, but this is due to Western and Islamist infiltration which should be cleaned out of Pakistan at any cost to the US and UK. Islamism is not an answer but syncretism is, and even many Pakistanis still want to return to decent human values, after decades of oppression.
# posted by uv : 3:20 AM
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